[LOGGING TURNED ON AT Wed Dec 1 02:49:13 2004 Falconia crawl onto a chair to pay attention "Time for these to come off. And if you make one sound, I'm putting them right back on again!" says Aaminah as she reaches for the clamps attached to pillowboy's nipples. Aaminah rubs a finger across the tip of pillowboy's trapped penis. "Do you want me to get you hard one last time while the KTB is still on?", she giggles. Aaminah takes the end of pillowboy's butt plug and wiggles it a few times before slowly pulling it out of him. In a little girl voice, Aaminah asks "Does pillowboy want to come out to play?", as she opens the cage door. Aaminah unlocks pillowboy's cage. pillowboy floats in the same way bricks don't.. subchaos wonders how pillowboy drags that big cage pillowboy says: big musles lol Melanie flops down on a big, fluffy cushion. Tricks says: Welcome to our weekly discussion. Today's topic is Netiquette. Appropriate behavior in an online setting. As well as inappropriate behavior. trellan slinks into the room.. trellan nods. Tricks says: One thing that fall under that category is how to and how not to approach a Domme. potifar nods Melanie is the spokesperson for inappropriate behavior. :P potifar says: thankfully, most users we get here are pretty well-behaved Falconia gets her notebook out trellan says: I think my approach works well...run from them. subchaos avoids Melanie potifar says: i've seen much worse things at other places Davis chuckles at trellan. druid sits quietly in the corner toyian approaches Delia potifar says: but there is still a fair amount of new subs that believe that the best way to approach a Domme is by immediately sending tells to all women who happen to be online Tricks nods to potifar. potifar winks: does that work? ;) Melanie says: Oddly enough, so have I.. and I think I know where trellan's referring to. :P toyian kneels by Delia's side trellan says: Even with all the messages saying that you shouldn't that are around at sign up potifar says: those who do rarely read any messages potifar smiles: or at least don't feel that they need to pay any attention to them :) subchaos asks: hold it a sec ..what about the other way around? Delia says: Well, the worst way to approach me is to speak to me as if it's assumed we'll play in the near future. As if it's expected. Davis says: That would turn me off, too. Melanie says: I think the worst way to approach me is say 'A/s/l?' ...I haaaaate that. Aaminah agees with melani potifar asks (to Melanie): have you gotten that in here? Davis says: Ugh...so do I. trellan says: Well, even ignoring this place and speaking in more generalities...you would assume that someone with good manners wouldn't just walk into a new place and start hitting on everyone all at once. Melanie smiles (to potifar): Nope. :) Delia says: I don't see the asl stuff here.. tbv asks: ASl? AlleyCat says: i havent gotten that here but on other talkers i have trellan says: age/sex/location Delia smiles (to trellan): Haven't hung out on irc, have you? :) Aaminah says: age sex location pillowboy says: asl you mostly see in chatrooms Davis says: I can't stand it when people substitute 'u' for 'you' and other similar things. Viggo strolls in and comments, "Remember, Dommes is peeples tooooo!" before ducking out to go the the kitchen. trellan says (to Delia): addicted to IRC for 6 years, I've been sober for 7 potifar says (to Davis): that's on of my pet peeves too tbv says: thank you Melanie cheers and gives Davis some love. Melanie says: Mine too. :P potifar says: one* Delia nods. Davis says: It's just pure laziness. Joven nods. Tricks says: One pet peeve of mine is when a newbie sub comes in asking personal info right away. Davis nods. potifar says (to Tricks): yeah -- that should get the big WARNING sign flashing Aaminah says: just because I say hi to you .. does not mean I want to play with you Tricks says: or a newbie Domme toyian says: i find it funny when they make the profile a literal description too Tricks says: I suppose it could work both ways Delia says: Another one for me is being called mistress immediately by someone I don't know. Drives me insane. potifar asks (to Aaminah): what? it doesn't??? tbv says: there is an interesting point, Delia Delia exclaims (to Aaminah): Bingo! Aaminah smiles Tricks asks: What about a sub who kneels to you upon entering the room? Delia asks: Interesting, why? tbv says: some people come from consent based situations...like this...others come from non consent environments, where every D is referred to as Master or Mistress tbv says: they need to figure out where they are and what is expected Delia says (to tbv): It's a personal thing - I don't like it. tbv says: I am not saying you should... tbv says: they should come in ...and figure out the tone of the place pillowboy says: agreed toyian says: i dont like the idea of calling someone mistress who is not my mistress.....it waters the term down and gives it no meaning when it is real scoro enters. toyian says: you get Dommes who log on and demand it Tricks says: Another suggestion, if you are only wanting to see who's online go to the site or type 'who' at the entrance screen. Don't come in, type .who, and then leave. That's very annoying. Delia nods at Tricks. Davis chuckles. tbv says: Dommes who demand it need to learn that this is a consent based talker AlleyCat says: that is annoying potifar says: very annoying Tricks says: I think I actually once jailed somebody for that because it got too annoying. potifar says: and for that matter people how log in, and immediately go to their room without even saying 'hi' potifar says: who* AlleyCat says: i fing\d that rude druid goes AFK toyian asks: could we have it formally in rules somewhere that dommes should not be called mistress etc except by consent? AlleyCat says: if all you are going to do is just sit there in your room, why come here subchaos chiming...departs. to the cafe. subchaos searches for Jen. tbv says: tell hell Suede strides in smooth as kidleather. potifar asks (to toyian): is there really anyone here who does that? Tricks asks: What's the standard on personal rooms? I normally won't send a tell to somebody in a private room, unless they send me a tell first. But if you don't see any kneeling or similar is it considered ok? potifar says: i wouldn't do it Suede says: I sure wouldnt tell to the sub potifar says: i would to someone who is alone in the room toyian says (to potifar): it happens yes....but usually they are from other talkers and either cease or leave...but while they are new it does Delia says: I don't mind tells being sent to me in private.. I try and not do it to others, though. Aaminah nods Aaminah says: it doesnt bother me .. but if I am busy expect a delay Melanie says: I do that once in awhile, potifar.. log in and go right to my room. Usually it's because I got disconnected and was doing, well, something before the disconnect, so go right back to it. potifar says: yes, but that's another thing potifar says: i don't mind that Tricks says: If I am busy I will usually send a tell back stating that or just ignore it. Suede says: a tell saying hello is fine but the nosey ones bug me Aaminah nods toyian says: i think it depends on consent.....if you know that person and know they dont mind then ok Delia says: I am only annoyed with the 'What are you doing, *wink wink*' type tells if I'm in private. Suede nods tbv hates those Melanie says (to Delia): I only do that once in awhile. :P Delia grins. AlleyCat says: yes, i know those types and the do bother me to a small extent potifar winks (to tbv): is that why you keep sending them? ;) tbv says: payback, potifar tbv says: payback scoro grins. trellan takes down some notes. Arkantos enters. Tricks asks: what about some of the things that bother you subs? Melanie says: Oh no.. trellan's taking notes so he can start doing these things. :P Tricks is interested in hearing them. Suede watches trellan writing notes Davis says: Not many things have bothered me here yet. I've found it really enjoyable. Suede says: I know one thing that bothers two of my subs subchaos says: snooty stuck up DOmmes who have no sense of humour potifar says: another pet peeve of mine -- not a sub/Domme thing though -- is people who come in, complain that it's quiet without even ever trying to strike up a conversation themselves tbv says: good call, subchaos Davis says: Well, yeah, that subchaos. tbv agrees with potifar Suede says: that pisses me off and i dont even own the place scoro exclaims (to potifar): and then leave! AlleyCat says: yes, that is annoying potifar nods at scoro Suede says: i feel like they're putting down my home toyian says: for most nothing.......but people who take the cast thing to far........if a Domme is not your domme you would be polite and respectful.....but not submissive to them Melanie smiles: There are snooty stuck up dommes here? :) Tricks asks: Or somebody who sits quietly and then every few minutes says they're bored? potifar says (to Tricks): that too Melanie nods at Tricks. Suede says: oh the thing my subs have complained about are people who approach them even when they've made it clear they arent allowed to play with others Delia says (to toyian): By that same note.. It bothers me when I see a Domme being disrespectful to someone elses sub.. Ohhh. Davis says: I say I'm bored, but don't talk, but that's because I'm trying to stay warm. potifar asks (to Suede): really? Suede says: yes Suede says: thats why they wear the id_Tags that say hands off potifar says: wow, that is really rude Davis says: I haven't had any other Dommes approach me. Delia smiles broadly (to Davis): Thats because most people know Melanie is scary. :D Tricks wonders if her sense of humor sometimes falls along the disrespect lines. subchaos says: i must be different i take it as a compliment Suede says: i dont bother other people's subs, i'll chat with them, but i believe in the hands off rule trellan exclaims (to Melanie): I told you! Davis says (to Delia): I know she's scary....very scary... tbv thinks . o O ( but Delia...you married her ) Melanie pouts. Is not scary! pillowboy says: agreeds with Suede Suede says: and i dont think my subs should have to kneel to others or act submissive to them Suede says: show respect yes Davis snuggles Melanie, comforts, and assures her he was joking. Tricks says: Something else I've found annoying(not personally used but still annoying) is when you have somebody on your ignore list and they keep asking why they are there. Davis says: Haha. Yeah. Tricks was here when that happened once. Melanie smiles. potifar grins Arkantos says: hehehe Suede says: ooo i hate that, cause they know why they are there subchaos asks: yes Tricks what DID i do? Melanie says: I know. toyian ignores subchaos Tricks says: Well it's not like you can see them anyway if you're ignoring them so it's pointless. Melanie says: I've never had to ignore anyone here, ever. tbv says: give it time, Melanie Tricks has all the admin on her ignore list. tbv says: you will find someone Delia grins. Suede says: no but i've had them have others ask me why for them toyian winks (to Melanie): that is because they are scared of you;) Tricks is joking. Melanie snickers. Arkantos does have all the admins on his ignore list Tricks says: Staff can't be ignored anyway. Aaminah smiles toyian had notice that Arkantos says: well Suede says: which really sucks for us peons Arkantos says: if you make your own telnet client Suede says: cause some of you are down right hateful tbv flexes his vocal chords Arkantos smiles: and you implement your own ignore code :) Suede grins Arkantos says: then you can make is so the messages are never received Delia says (to Suede): It's only because the pay sucks.. Tricks says: Perhaps but it's necessary we be able to approach somebody if necessary. Suede says: true Tricks says: Being staff isn't easy Suede. pillowboy says: true tircks the staff here have been most helpful Suede says: i know i'm staff on alot of places Suede was just joking Tricks says: Especially when you run into 'I didn't do anything wrong even if I did break an obvious rule.' anthony enters. bria appears amongst the afterglow of miniature fireworks. Tricks says: That's another major pet peeve of mine (take note of this). When the staff approaches a user about what they perceive as a rule violation, some users get uptight rather than try to settle the problem. tbv agrees Aaminah nods alot Delia says: Yeah. Melanie says: This place has rules? *ducks* Suede looks at the floor AlleyCat laughs tbv throws a duck at Melanie trellan says: I'm bored. Davis asks: Why wasn't I made aware of such rules? trellan ducks. Tricks says: That is the very reason we have the disrespect toward staff rule in place. Melanie catches the duck and stuffs it down trellan's pants to make him unbored. subchaos says: ill teach you Davis toyian throws trellan at a duck Tricks says: Most situations are easily resolved if you just keep your patience. pillowboy says: true toyian says: doctors say that too anthony goes AFK pillowboy says: when i first came here I had no clue what a talker was ect so meny of my chatroom style of chat was used Melanie smiles: I came here only ever having been in one talker before. Delia invited me here. I've since all but abandoned the other talker.. I love it here :) Tricks asks: How about velcro collars? Annoying? subchaos chiming...departs. to the cafe. trellan asks: velcro collars? pillowboy asks: velcro collars? AlleyCat says: yes those are very annoying Delia says: Yes. Aaminah says: yes very Tricks tbv says: waaaay annoying potifar says: on off on off on off toyian exclaims: they would hurt your neck too! AlleyCat says: no, ian , only your rep tbv says: only if the rough side is down, toyian Tricks says: Our term for collars that only remain in place for a few days. Dommes and subs who don't take them seriously. Or don't take the time to know each other. trellan says: Make collars so that only wizi people can remove them within the first two weeks. Arkantos says: hmmm Arkantos says: nono bria says: you can never tell who is serious if they wear/apply velcro collars Melanie says: Another thing that sorta annoys me is when people name themselves after body parts, or clothing, or actions. What the hecks up with that? Slightly annoying to say a word and part or all of it comes up colored in the strange fashion that person colored themselves in. (Example: Skirt) Arkantos says: it should be an agreement between 2 people Arkantos says: no wizzes needed trellan noddles at Melanie. toyian says: why not make a fixed setting if you accept a collar you cant accept another for a month or so...use a timer Arkantos says: names should have to be validated tbv says: ooooh Melanie nods at Arkantos. tbv says: I tried some of that tbv says: and actually got some people with stupid names to change them Suede sees nothing wrong with her name Tricks has one of those names. Tricks says: But I refuse to change it. Arkantos says: but there should be a rule against such names Arkantos winks: so you can FORCE them to change ;) Joven says: Either that, or only use the name-subtitution in text if the person is present. Arkantos nods at Joven Arkantos says: yeah potifar says: well, we want to able to talk about someone who's not here pillowboy checks his name and sees no harm Arkantos says: i dont like to say Dream theater in color Melanie smiles (to Tricks): Nah, I mean mostly clothing and body parts? How many times do you say 'Tricks' in an emote or say? :P I only say it when I'm talking to you :) potifar says: i don't think that's a good solution trellan says: And remove the coloring from names of people who haven't been here in forever, like that Skirt person Suede says: and you can take all the time in the world to get to know someoen or think you know them and once they have your collar or you have theirs they change Delia says (to Melanie): ex darkshade :P Tricks winks (to Melanie): have you done .ex darkshade? ;) Delia grins at Tricks. toyian has given up saying 'how Tricks' as a greeting :) potifar says: Skirt was here three days ago tbv asks: not to name names, but how about mad? trellan says: Well, it was an example. toyian really annoyed with Skirt!!! Delia is glad 'owned' is gone. Arkantos says: hehehe Arkantos asks: was owned owned? Delia says: No. Tricks says (to Suede): if the collar has been on for awhile then it's not considered a velcro Melanie smiles: Baah, that doesn't count :) Arkantos asks: so owned was really unowned? trellan asks: Was here 3 days ago for a minute? Delia nods. Suede nods at Tricks Arkantos asks: unowned or disowned? Davis says: Hehe. trellan says: I should have named myself 'collar' Melanie should have named herself 'Pants'.. but then everyone'd want to wear me. :/ toyian says: by using timers we could restrict inapproriate collaring without the need for intervention and arguments AlleyCat chuckles Arkantos says: hmmmm Suede likes the two week training collar trellan nods. potifar says: a hint to those who find it too annoying, you can counter the re-coloring with a ^ in front of the word Davis wants to wear Melanie... AlTrA enters. Melanie says: I like the collar system, though I once accidentally removed a collar somehow and had to wait the two weeks all over again. That was kinda annoying. :P tbv plays Tricks on the room before anyone gets mad trellan says: But the training collars should be unable to be removed except by wizi people toyian says (to potifar): but not if the word is in clothing description Arkantos says: say hmmm Suede says: I think people should be allowed to use any name they want potifar says (to toyian): no tbv thinks . o O ( wizi people? ) potifar asks (to Suede): any name? toyian says (to potifar): like Skirt Melanie snickers at Davis.. 'Behave, please. :)' potifar asks: do you really mean that? Suede says: well not like fuck or something Arkantos says: so we have to type 3 extra characters for each named word? :P Davis is behaving...or trying to. Suede says: i see nothing wrong with inline cname Suede says: i like it tbv asks: but Davis, are you behaving well or poorly? Joven says: That's particularly annoying, especially when I want to talk about a Dream I had about giving candy to a babygirl in a Suede Skirt. tbv asks: inlinecname? Delia asks (to Joven): Was it gentle? Joven says: Yeah, but the discussion just made me mad ;^) trellan asks (to Joven): or did it make you mad? potifar says: if it really annoys you that much -- you can turn off color all in all Delia grins. Suede says: i dont know it just doesnt annoy me Davis says (to tbv): I'm always behaving badly. AlTrA reads the message board. tbv grins Tricks says: it doesn't bother me either jbond enters. pillowboy says: i never did bother me Tricks says: other than when I try to give our website and the autocolor screws it up Melanie doesn't want to turn color off :( Just wants her Skirt to not look like someone poured white-out all over it. trellan says: It only bothers me when the colors are hideous. tbv grins Davis chuckles. Delia grins. Melanie nods at trellan. Aaminah laughs Suede smiles at trellan xaveria sashays into the room. Suede says: maybe not allow those ones like Skirt's color job tbv thinks . o O ( what if, next time Skirt is on, we all find reasons to use her name in every sentence...and see how long it takes her to change names ) AlleyCat hugs xaveria Suede says: or subchaos's toyian says: mad is ok because it is sort of like blushes tbv says: except blushes is not a name xaveria smiles and hugs Tricks got somebody to change their .desc Melanie says: I don't mind mad, or blushes. trellan says: I just call subchaos the pink rectangle guy Delia grins. toyian says (to tbv): yes but the word color fits AlTrA reads the message board. tbv says: true Melanie says: the bright background names are annoying, though, I must say :P trellan says: I don't mind bethany so much. Tricks says: They had 'is training wings' and I commented that it's a good thing they're name isn't Maxi. The next time they logged in the .desc was changed. Delia laughs at Tricks. toyian says: subchaos should just buy everyone sunglasses Melanie laughs. potifar says: ok, we've heard a lot of "don't:s" -- how about talking a little about "do:s" pillowboy says: do take you time Tricks wonders what Skirt's reaction will be when she reads the log. Arkantos says: well Arkantos says: she'll probably cry trellan says: You assume she will. Arkantos says: then she'll curse us all Suede says: do add more items to the mall Melanie says: Poor Skirt, everyone's bashing her.. and I started it all. Muhahah. trellan says: Yes...put a suggestion box in for the mall potifar asks: what's wrong with .suggest? Suede says: skirts cool i dont think she'll be upset, she knows we arent talking mean about her, just using her name as an example trellan asks: There's a .suggest? Suede says: i know about the .suggest trellan winks: Oh boy...you're all in trouble now ;) tbv says: yes, trellan tbv grins Arkantos says: then she'll visit each one of us tbv says: no, trellan, you are potifar says: and --- when you do make suggestions --- please make them as concrete as possible Suede says: you said lets about about little do's Arkantos says: and place a burning bag of dog poop on our doors Melanie says: Oooh, suggestions. Davis frowns (to Melanie): You're bad. :( potifar says: if you want a new toy -- write up some socials for it Tricks asks: If you really want an item in place, why not write up the item and description along with some socials and .suggest them? Melanie asks (to Davis): I am? Melanie asks (to Davis): Why? Davis says (to Melanie): Enjoying being mean to someone. Evangeline enters. Melanie asks (to Davis): Who am I being mean to? Melanie hums. Joven goes to the cafe. trellan says: Another thing that I don't like is people who can't stay on topic. druid comes back from being AFK. potifar says: i was thinking about "do:s" when it comes to netiquette trellan glares around the room. Melanie grins at trellan. Davis says (to Melanie): You laughed at starting the Skirt bashing. toyian says (to Davis): give her the 'who she is not mean to list' to save time pillowboy says: do be polite Melanie laughs at toyian. Tricks says (to Suede): The theme is Netiquette. Not Wonderland additions. He was referring to some "do's" regarding behavior and such. Davis frowns (to trellan): Well excuse me for going to the bathroom. :( potifar says: do be yourself tbv says: yes Arkantos asks: how about we keep spam to a minimum? tbv says: regular beatings Arkantos grins AlleyCat asks: spam?? Melanie says: Do: take your time! Talk alot. Don't badger me if I don't want to answer a question. Do tell me about yourself, without it going too personal. Do give me space if I ask for it. toyian says (to AlleyCat): tinned meat pillowboy says: theres spam here Aaminah nods toyian winks (to pillowboy): Viggo just stocked it;) trellan says: Do respect my limits, don't push too far, too fast. Suede says: more group game nights Aaminah says: on occasion there is pillowboy Tricks says: DO WRITE A PROFILE!!!!!! tbv grins AlleyCat says: i have one trellan says: Do give me all your cash. Melanie smiles: Do ... yes, yes, write a profile! I'm working on it. :) Suede says: i love it when everyone's in the mood to play truth, i think its fun and helps people open up and make new friends pillowboy says: nice try trllan lol Melanie donates $1 to trellan. pillowboy says: trellan even AlTrA starts editing some text. AlTrA finishes editing some text. Tricks says: Do get involved in the community. Coming up with additions and such. Helping newbies. Arkantos says: yeah Suede says: as for profiles offer cash for those who have them already and those who write them within a certain given period of time pillowboy says: agreed toyian takes the $1 whiles trellan is not looking Tricks says: we've done that Suede xaveria thinks . o O ( don't steal money ) Tricks says: it didn't make much difference Aaminah says: yup pillowboy says: mostly i help newbees with the colors in there name trellan tells Delia that toyian is stealing from him. Melanie exclaims: Do take the initiative to un-bore yourself. Do be nice to others and RESPECT their scenes if you notice one going on! Melanie says: That annoys me when people don't.. when they butt in with rude or sarcastic remarks. Tricks says: Do respect other's kinks, even if they aren't your own. Davis agrees. Aaminah says: totally tbv says: yes potifar says: yes, that is unbelievably rude Delia nods. toyian asks: there are kinks beyond mine??? Melanie has only had that happen here to her once. pillowboy nods Suede says: do make more fun of dropped tells Suede says: god those are funny trellan says: I don't have any kinks. Suede says: sorry Delia winks: Do drop more tells. ;) Suede smiles bria didn't know anyone here was kinky Suede says: yeah yeah drop them more Melanie says: Do pick on Delia! Definate must. :P Aaminah smiles to bria potifar says: and even an explicit violation of the rules pillowboy giggles with bria trellan says: Do take your subs to the arena more...we like entertainment. Tricks says: Do attempt to spend time outside your personal rooms(and allow your subs to as well) and interact with other users. Suede says: yeah i like that one Tricks tbv nods toyian says: do pick on Pookie Davis says: But I like being tied up. Delia nods at ian. Davis says: I mean... Tricks asks: How can you expect to get to know more people if you never spend time around them? Suede says: i like playing (not sexual) in the cafe with everyone trellan says: Do tease ttt about splurty splurty when you see him. potifar says: do post at our web board Tricks laughs Davis didn't know there was a web board. Melanie asks: Web board? Suede says: it can be a blast when everyone's playing Tricks says (to trellan): that's too funny bria totally forgot about the board pillowboy says: areed potifar potifar says: http://com4.runboard.com/bdswonderland trellan beams a smile at Tricks. Davis says: Oh...thaaaaaat web board... -pretents to have known- Suede says: do send in pictures for the webpage even if they are just a pic to represent you toyian says (to Davis): you convinced me trellan asks: You mean the web board that isn't coming up? potifar asks: isn't coming up? Davis says: Came up for me. tbv says: no problems with it here AlTrA asks: webpage? pillowboy says: working fine for me trellan says: Hrmmm, not for me...wierdity. toyian asks (to trellan): what wont come up for you? Delia says: It came up for me as well. Tricks says: We want to have a more interactive community. Everybody getting along and taking part in all aspects(or would that be most?). We have received comments that this is the friendliest talker. Tricks acks! toyian says (to Delia): shhhh we were alone then trellan frowns: I've tried 3 different browsers...it's not coming up :( Suede says: I love this place Delia smirks. Suede says: and it is the most friendly talker that I've been to in 11 years pillowboy nods with Tricks toyian asks (to trellan): have you tried viagra? Suede says: even though I've had my problems with a few people, everything gets worked out AlTrA says: I have to admit it is more friendly than most Suede says: brb gotta help my brother set up his dsl Davis says: I think this is a very friendly place. pillowboy says: do explore rooms outside cafe Tricks says: It's time to begin bringing this discussion to a close. We'd like to thank everybody who participated. If you wish you are welcome to stick around for our after-discussion discussion. [LOGGING TURNED OFF AT Wed Dec 1 03:44:56 2004